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Koldar Mondrakken
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« on: 01 January 2003, 08:19:00 »

OK , it is not finished, it is sketchy and only a summary but maybe it is now more of a foundation for further work.:)    


Kh'om'chr'om
This is one of the main dialects of orcish dialects. In its purest form it is spoken by the Ashz-OC and possibly spread from there at least as secondary language to most Orcs of Sarvonia. Via the Gob-Oc the language principles got known to the Santharian linguists. Going from there they developed a rough overview over grammer and vocabulary.


The Alphabet:
The orcish alphabet has many guterral and hissing sounds but only few labial. The main reason for this is that the teeth of an Orc are an important factor in their mimic(from obliging to threatening) so they avoid sounds that distract from their mimic. This is the reason for a great amount of variants of certain consonants that fill up this gap. In the Kh'om'chr'om dialect the vowels a,o,u are dominant ones that claim the stress to the syllable they belong to. E and I seldomly appear in a pure form but are merged with consonants or other vowels as wordbinders.
The stress generally lies on the first sylable, dominant vowels mark further points of stress.

Note: I use the German sound pattern for the vowels so don't get confused. ;)   Well, you will.

dominant vowels (claim stress)
a           = 'bark'
o           = 'lord'
u           = 'loose' (any example where u is spoken like that in English?)
auxillary vowels:
e           = 'twelve'
i            = 'this'

In the above mentioned form e and i appear only very seldom but are often used to weaken dominant vowels.
E.g. Nuthraen where the dominant a in the second syllabel is weakened to put the stress on the first syllabel. This way also other sounds can be created. The above ae would be equal to English than.


Note: Also mainly German sounds, I used English or some auxillary constructions for those I don't know a suiting letter for.

consonants
s  = 'sea'
th = 'that'
dd = 'thee'

h  = 'hollow'      
k  = 'cave'
ch = German 'Bach'
gh = German 'Licht'
g  = 'gull' at word endings it turns into German 'ck' a short 'k'
sh  = 'shine'

m        
n
ng  = 'ring', however it is used freely in words

r = a rolling r        

f

l


Grammer:
The grammer of Kh'om'chr'om is kept simple and are more or less sounding like variants of imperatives.
The usual structure is:
Verb Object Subject

Naturally the infinitve equals the imperative. In Orcish communities everything is spoken like an order. How it is preceived by the receiver of the message depends heavily on the status of both sides. If he is lower than the speaker, it is taken right as an order or a fact, if he his equal he will take it as a question or suggestion, if he is higher as a challenge.

The Kh'om'chr'om has only very limited tenses to express more complicate situations:
All past tenses are summarized under the 'Narrative', with which every event that lies in the past is described. There's another variant of the 'Narrative' but it is only used to tell myths and legendary epics. It is sometimes called the 'historical Narrative' because these stories are usually the only way for Orc clans to memorize their history.
Future tenses are all included in the present tense, eventually only distinguished by time-describing words like "now", "then" or "tomorrow".
Conjunctives(if-cases) only exist formulated as questions.
Example: "If he goes to the pond he'll be dead" is formulated "Is he going to the pond? He is dead!" or when using Kh'om'chr'om sentence structure something like: "Is going to the pond he? Dead is he!"

Questions are introduced with the auxillary word "Oi" that has no meaning for itsself but only serves the purpose to get anyone's attention.


Notes:

The only cases for nouns are Object, Genetive and Nominative

The Orcs only use word roots which are then transformed into verb, noun, adjectives and adverbs.

Orcish is rather difficult because prepposition do not exist but are merged into the word.

"In front of a/the cave" would be translated into "Gorb'nach"
in which case the syllabels "Gorb"(cave) and "Nach"(in front of) are stressed.

"gorbrech" would mean "dig" literally "make a cave"

"gorbaith" would mean "hollow" or also "empty"

The Orcish often uses very metaphoric combinations to create words thus often the meaning of a word can be only understood in association with the situation in which it is used. E.g.,  wether it is an empty glass or a hollow tree.

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« Reply #1 on: 01 January 2003, 09:23:00 »

Hmmm... maybe even the Genetive can be replaced by prepositions but I don't know if this wouldn't look too longwinded.

Things to do:
-general declinations for noun and verbs
-pronouns
-prepositions

-Adjective, Adverb will be possibly all inherited from a root noun.

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« Reply #2 on: 01 January 2003, 13:08:00 »

I love the Oi thing. That's so cool! I can't wait to learn Orcish...
*pretends*
Oi! Gris'shug' ghot'chuk'nug!
*giggles*


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« Reply #3 on: 01 January 2003, 13:10:00 »

What is a mimic?


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« Reply #4 on: 01 January 2003, 13:12:00 »

I'm not entirely sure. Maybe another word would be better understood. Maybe Grimace? Sneer?


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« Reply #5 on: 01 January 2003, 13:20:00 »

Please don't torture the German guy!
Mimic is an English word and does exist!
German Mimik = facial expression, mimic, mimic art  

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« Reply #6 on: 01 January 2003, 13:26:00 »

Mimic in English , is an act of copying another's actions in hope to become that thing.

Like some butterfly wing patterns MIMIC the trees and flowers they feed upon to avoid being eaten.

We're trying not to torture you. It is an english word, I just wasn't sure if THAT was the meaning you wanted.


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« Reply #7 on: 01 January 2003, 13:28:00 »

Ah!
Expression!
Now I understand!


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« Reply #8 on: 01 January 2003, 14:23:00 »

Expression then if that is any better? German knows both equivalents but  does not care which one you use. Stupid English! :b  

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« Reply #9 on: 01 January 2003, 14:25:00 »


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« Reply #10 on: 06 January 2003, 22:26:00 »

yeah. Stupid english.
So many words that mean the same thing.

Said
replied
exclaimed
retorted
barked
yapped
snapped
squealed
screamed
yelled
bellowed
boomed

I could go on...


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« Reply #11 on: 07 January 2003, 08:00:00 »

Just to make sure the basics are clear: Does the sound list make enough sense or is it still too confusing?

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« Reply #12 on: 07 January 2003, 14:02:00 »

it makes sense; I don't know how to speak german so all the german examples don't work for me.


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« Reply #13 on: 07 January 2003, 23:11:00 »

Do you know the scottish word loch for lake? Like loch ness monster? I'm pretty sure that has the same sound as bach in german.


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« Reply #14 on: 08 January 2003, 01:17:00 »

right.
But Gang?
I see that and think
gAAAAAAAAng.

and Licht?
Leekt.

Those words are kinda easy; there's no accents.
But still, the fear of screwing up...


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