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« Reply #15 on: 08 January 2003, 13:44:00 »

Well, that's a bit of a problem because some of these sounds do not exist in English. It is esspecially difficult to explain in a written media. When you say so, Grey, I'll replace it with that example, when you have other ones fitting to explain that to the non-English speakers, you're welcomed.

For the 'ng':

Well, it is a sound similar to the "G"(like in 'gang') but instead of releasing the sound you let the air escape slowly.

Have no better explanation how it is supposed to sound. :



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« Reply #16 on: 08 January 2003, 21:50:00 »

Don't wait for me too long Koldie, I don't speak German.


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« Reply #17 on: 08 January 2003, 22:55:00 »

like ...
gaaaan?
or gahhhhng?

Perhaps if someone had the ability to record sounds...  


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« Reply #18 on: 09 January 2003, 03:50:00 »

computer microphones start pretty cheap. That's what I used for Browniin sounds.


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« Reply #19 on: 09 January 2003, 12:03:00 »

Me stupid!I hate being stupid! bad Koldar! Bad! *bangs head against wall*

I got a bit confused by a Tolkien site describing sound system and pronounciations and stuff. "ng" is used like in English "gang" or "ring". It's the vocals that are different in German here!
The only thing is that ng is used in orcish not only at the end of a word but also anywhere else and at start.

Sorry for causing confusion. :  

Well, ch was the sound not existing in English per se... but anything with two letters is usually a special case anyway so rather difficult to describe.

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Edited by: Koldar Mondrakken at: 1/8/03 6:04:14 pm
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« Reply #20 on: 09 January 2003, 15:18:00 »

Oh!
Guh!
That sound.

*nods*
Okay! Now everythings' fine. I left a note at the Styrash board explaining English vowels. Maybe that can help explain our lack of accents...?

Anyway.
Yeh.


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« Reply #21 on: 09 January 2003, 22:05:00 »

cool.....lots of that in cantonese...
ngoh ngao ng........maybe I should record that one.....


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« Reply #22 on: 10 January 2003, 10:22:00 »

I don't want to learn another language!

But it looks great, Koldar, will help to explain some of these sounds to our english speaking people
Btw, these German sounds are mostly the same for latin, italian, spanish and so on, so problem is,you use your english way to pronounce these languages as well, sounds funny to me sometimes, lol
Greybark, you are right, "ch" in Bach is the same as "ch" in loch, scottish has a lot of these nice words
"It's a brought, brecht moonlecht necht tonecht"
(It is a brought, bright moonlight night tonight"

Edited by: Talia Sturmwind  at: 1/9/03 4:26:20 pm
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« Reply #23 on: 10 January 2003, 13:58:00 »

y'all got spiffy sounds!
So jealous.


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« Reply #24 on: 29 January 2004, 21:03:00 »

I'm new to the forums, though not to Santharia an all that. I'm just wondering, why do you have so many ' in the word? Kh'om'ch'om????? I don't know, maybe it's just me, but wouldn't somthing like Fnackhfu fit better? all the words like chéléréàå'khóláúör.. you get my idea then...... I make languages of my own, Ësailasin, Khazzanur, Súvannin, Nau'Gwar, Almaeyeyn, Altaen,  and Cazacazs. I never use so many symbols, I dunno, if you hate what I'm saying, I'm sorry, but I felt I needed to say it.

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« Reply #25 on: 30 January 2004, 04:23:00 »

Well, maybe we like it? Or to indicate a break, an intermission?

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« Reply #26 on: 30 January 2004, 06:42:00 »

For Kh'om'ch'om you're right. I imported this from older entries but the many apostrophes make it unspeakable. I have not decided yet if I use any symbols at all though in the other examples it is used to mark the combination of different word roots.


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« Reply #27 on: 30 January 2004, 15:53:00 »

Again, I am sorry if I bothered anyone. I just think that many who come to this site might not be so fluent in á and ëé and such. All of those marks just seem to make it harder to speak. I can't say how I like the elvish, I am yet to find a long and "wordy" poem or passage written in Styrásh. I'm all for creativity and that, don't get me wrong. All the marks just confuse me. I use orkish sounds like ckh(super "k", think Klingon) fngsh, rh, hr, ngk, things like to make phrases such as this.... Fu'Mackhtackh horngor gûngtackh hranshackh! (Not* not a really phrase, the only part that has any real meaning is Fu'Mackhtackh horngor, the rest is just an idea.

       I do like your Merfish though, fun stuff. I've tried it, it ain't easy.....but I wish I knew Hebrew...and German...and Sindarin..and Quenya...and Swahilí...and..oh! Sorry. errr....I'm rambling...uhg..
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« Reply #28 on: 30 January 2004, 17:52:00 »

I'm sorry if I bother you now but from first impression your language seems to have an aweful amount of letters  to describe a sound. Things like gh, ch or something are okay but more than two letters make long consonant sequences who seem weird in a way.

However I also thought about introducing another soound (speaking about super k;) ). KH, a sound harder and more gutteral than the German 'ch'

Anyway, I wish I'd have time to think more about orcish for beginners. I hope you enjoy your stay at Santharia. For my part I have nothing against some feedback. :)  


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« Reply #29 on: 02 February 2004, 08:31:00 »

I am not bothered, I have my reasons...first off, I don't make ocs, trolls, brari(Rat wolf-minitor-without the horns.), they don't write, it's the extreme harshness of sounds I'm trying to convey. ck = ka, but ckh= kha, I mean the brutal sounds, extreames one finds in a language like Kiligon. Another good way to make it inhuman and unnatural sounding, is if you all throat hacks, growling, spiting, and snorting as parts of the verbal alphabet. As such is used with D@D orkish, and bugbearish, trollish is werid, "Ish mish funtaaaah" but that is beside the point, I used to have a writting system, but dropped it. I now can use random letters for orckish wirting, since any lanugauge or writting style one tribe made, would be completly different from another tribe. But anywho...just an idea.
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