New Thergerim (dwarvish) vocabulary here!

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« Reply #30 on: 01 January 2009, 08:25:10 »

'Sek' is indeed 'colour' or 'pigmentation', you clever ones! And I finally created/unearthed the rest of the hues. They are based on the gemstones, or rather, the gemstone names were based on colours.... anyhow, here's the basics.

I'll gladly add more sophisticated hues such as 'moss' to the spectrum as well; just remember that although dwarven eyes are adapted for lowlight situations, certain colours still look very similar and subtle distinctions may not 'register' well. Red looks black, for example.... I haven't taken that too far - they still have their own separate words for the two colours, and of course dwarves have light sources and go aboveground, so they can distinguish those hues in other lights - but we need to remember that flames and phosphorescence will both lend their own colour cast to any particular shade.

black - Morsek
grey - Trumsek
white - Bhisek
pink - Kharsek
red - Oonsek
purple - Dasek
lavender - Julsek
light blue – Ysek
dark blue - Ansek
turquoise – Kasek (colour)
light green - Gnasek
dark green - Sognasek
grey-green - Krrsek
yellow - Ursek
golden - Mithsek
orange - Elsek


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Re: New Thergerim (dwarvish) vocabulary here!

« Reply #31 on: 12 January 2009, 04:01:31 »

Just one quick bounce back. I understand that I am new to this so forgive me if I'm still doing badly at this but there are dwarves who live above ground and couldn't it be that dwarves such as the Kavoninn Yabarrah would live by night and day and need phrases that would work with others who also lived in such a way hereby making Urtdon a possible phrase of greeting even if just for those who dwell above the ground?

If not maybe something along the lines of Thelon neen alv - May your beard grow long (though I could not fin the words for may or your.)


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Re: New Thergerim (dwarvish) vocabulary here!

« Reply #32 on: 28 January 2009, 04:33:02 »

Dear Bard, how would you translate "MegiUlkiwiSthon"?


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« Reply #33 on: 28 January 2009, 09:40:54 »

Can I have any kind of context? Some words haven't made it into my copy of the dictionary, which is the most comprehensive to date, afaik....

Megi = Crystal
Ulkiwi = New
Sthon = (not recorded in my dictionary - the closest I have is 'Sthomm', meaning Stone)

I'd take a guess at "New-Crystal Gem", as a name for some type of jewel or mineral. How'm I doing?


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« Reply #34 on: 28 January 2009, 15:27:07 »

Ah, i mistyped that then.. It was supposed to be calcite crystals.. from which you make plaster. "Crystal of Young/New Stone"


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« Reply #35 on: 28 January 2009, 23:49:04 »

Ah, ok. But proper names, though they may be conglomerates, usually have elided over the centuries.

May I suggest that 'calcite' become 'MegulgiSthomm' (from MegiUlkiwiSthon, 'crystal of new stone') and 'plaster' something like 'Megulgian'?


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« Reply #36 on: 29 January 2009, 01:47:41 »

It did... In the Roori Vine entry it has been eroded down to Mulkisth, or would that be to harsh a deterioration?


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« Reply #37 on: 29 January 2009, 16:53:06 »

I'll see ya a Mulki and raise you a Sthomm....

If it's a mineral, it should have one of the 'rock' words at its end to signify that (as all the gems do, for example)
I'd go for Mulkisthomm, or even Kisthomm to the dwarves and Kisth to humans. I rather like 'Kisth' for calcite, actually....

Should I run over and update the Tabulata?


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« Reply #38 on: 30 January 2009, 01:51:49 »

We have a deal, Masterbard! Kisthomm it is!


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Re: New Thergerim (dwarvish) vocabulary here!

« Reply #39 on: 27 March 2009, 04:39:27 »

Kembol: Knowledge that hurts ( Keem bull )
Kemeka: Painful Peace ( kem ic ah )
Bachika: makeing peace from Bachik and Eka ( Bach ik ah )


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Re: New Thergerim (dwarvish) vocabulary here!

« Reply #40 on: 15 December 2009, 14:41:13 »

Moria: Dark Success

References Mines of Moria in Fellowship of the ring
The Mines were succesful untill the Bullrock came. Then they became dark and evil.


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Re: New Thergerim (dwarvish) vocabulary here!

« Reply #41 on: 16 June 2011, 03:59:31 »

Here's a question for Judy: I need a Thergerim word for "Rift", or more precisely a "rift in the fabric of time and space", a magical phenomenon.

And to explain the whole thing a bit better: I have mentioned such phenomena already here and there in an entry or two, but now got an idea I'd like to turn into a little parable (hope this is the right term for such an allegorical story), so here's what I'm thinking about. "Rifts" are rare "natural" occurrences of magical energy, weaknesses in the fabrics of time and space. They can be discovered e.g. by dwarves mining deep down in a mountain where they encounter such a rift, which might work as a portal to another space/time - or not, nobody knows for sure. It might be very dangerous to enter such rifts, so it is not recommended to mine in areas like this or even come close to it. So I'd need sort of a terminus technicus the dwarves come up with - they mostly exist underground I'd say.


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« Reply #42 on: 16 June 2011, 10:35:18 »

OK, will check on my home computer tonight! I believe we have words for 'cut' but not for 'tear' or 'rip', so that will be helpful to create those. Probably I'll combine the Thergerim for 'door' and 'tear' to create your technical term

The dwarves would feel very strongly about such phenomena, as they are uncontrolled and irregular....yet happening within the reign and dominion of Trum'Barol... so perhaps from their viewpoint they are manifestations of evil or chaos (yet the Thergerim do not actually have a personification of evil such as the Terran Satan or the Twelvern Co'or.... hmmmm....)


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Re: New Thergerim (dwarvish) vocabulary here!

« Reply #43 on: 16 June 2011, 11:35:43 »

Bard, if the Thergerim view Trum'Barol as a builder, then perhaps their idea of evil would be something that does not build? A destroyer, rather than a creator?

As for tear, if I might make a suggestion:

Drazilyeh

from Dra- rough
and horzilyeh- cut


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