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« on: 05 October 2002, 09:18:00 »

Here's the pic of Erelen's dragonstaff he made from the sketch of Stormcrow:



Once again it's top quality, leaving only 2 questions:

1.) How should we do the background? I proposed to perhaps use it as a transparent GIF with no background at all. In case someone else has any better ideas, please post here.

2.) Where's the entry for the pic? Can you do an entry for the staff perhaps, Stormcrow?


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« Reply #1 on: 05 October 2002, 09:24:00 »

Over in the request forum I think the entry was up for grab, and Aylix Goth I think is going to do it.

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« Reply #2 on: 05 October 2002, 09:31:00 »

Hmmm, cool thing but maybe some more decisive highlights at some points as if it was polished and varnished? Otherwise it looks a bit flat against the dark background which is sad because of the many details...


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« Reply #3 on: 06 October 2002, 19:03:00 »

Wow! I like it. I see you've fixed up a few problems in the way I drew it. Anyway, when Aylix has an entry worked out about it, maybe some of the history will be revealed, making a good background jump out at us. Otherwise, I see it hovering in mid air is some abandoned temple, or someting like that. Maybe a beam of sunlight cutting through the dusty air to rest on or near the staff. But I suppose it'll have to wait for Aylix to say something here. *shouts outside of the forum* If you'll please come in here!

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« Reply #4 on: 24 October 2002, 12:10:00 »

Ack sorry I'm here. i should really check the dev sections of this place more often :o

I'm liking that pic!
Smurf, my email/msn is Aylix_Goth@hotmail.com if u wanna get in touch...
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« Reply #5 on: 24 October 2002, 20:27:00 »

By Ximan, I bid thee halt!
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« Reply #6 on: 25 October 2002, 19:21:00 »

I can't see the staff at al *squints* Mebbe just the greenish tip of it but the rest is shrouded in darkness.........

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« Reply #7 on: 26 October 2002, 00:30:00 »

Oh, you should really adjust your monitor settings, Dalá!


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« Reply #8 on: 26 October 2002, 03:58:00 »

It is not only Dalas, mine as well, and why don't I have problems with other pics, just this one - and the blue rose of Faugar????

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« Reply #9 on: 26 October 2002, 06:45:00 »

Great interpretation, and *I* can see the picture fine on my computer's monitor....

Couple of ideas from my perspective:  The physical execution of carving such a staff in wood would be difficult, because the dragons are only supported by the thin twine of their tails and would waver or snap off under their own weight.  Also, the bellies and torsos are quite smooth and undetailed, making them look 'unfinished' (not the art, just the design of the staff itself!)

An addition to the illustration which would solve both those problems would be to add forelimbs (and/or possibly backlimbs) to the dragons' bodies, reaching out to clasp the base of the jewel or the shaft of the dragonstaff.  That would support the flare of the dragons' wings, give the 'carving' more stability, and add still more focus around the jewelled area.

I also agree with Koldar that a bit of highlight reflection would bring up the grain of the wood more . . .but the three-dimensionality of the object is never in doubt.

Great work, and I'm looking forwards to seeing entry and picture combined!

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« Reply #10 on: 26 October 2002, 11:38:00 »

Wouldnt it depend on the wood it was made of? To me the tails looks quite thick, and ive seen thinner peices of wood RL for similar things...

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« Reply #11 on: 26 October 2002, 19:58:00 »

yes the wood would be rather heavy depending on the type of wood.

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« Reply #12 on: 27 October 2002, 09:32:00 »

Exactly, Llian.

"Soft" wood such as birch or beech or balsa is not heavy, so the extended wings of the dragon would not overbalance and pull the body away from the staff.  But likewise, it is not strong, and splits easily, so carving the thin extended wings and the tail would be difficult to do in the first place and even more impossible to preserve intact - any bump or even setting the staff down on its side, and the wings would snap off.

"Hardwood" on the other hand is made denser and stronger and weighter by its compact and sometimes twisted fibers.  Oak is one such example, and anyone who's ever tried to help his granny move her old solid-oak table or hutch knows just HOW heavy oak can be.  These stronger woods certainly have the strength to hold fine detail and thin shapes - but then the solid body of the dragon would put undue stress on the finer tail connection.

At any rate, I did not mean to develop this into a huge issue, and if it's not worth it to the artist to make any further changes, that is entirely his prerogative.  It's an effective interpretation of the entry as it is. Let us all remember that this is a forum for feedback, comments, critiques and praise all together,  and courtesy is the only overruling criteria.

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« Reply #13 on: 27 October 2002, 09:57:00 »

on the other hand, the dragons' claws will be quite big... Can't come up with a better solution, though...

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« Reply #14 on: 27 October 2002, 10:38:00 »

O man I thought I was done with this, excecpt for the background, which I have been putting of :D  I was just drawing what was given, I don't think to ask questions (yeah I am a sheep) *hangs head in shame* After my personal project, one Art doesn't know about ;)  I will go back and make corrections. I do value all of your opinions and insight, so thank you.

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