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Koldar Mondrakken
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« on: 17 March 2002, 14:08:00 »

The list is already getting very long there and it is difficult to put the name somewhere. Maybe it would be a good idea to order the beasts after general categories and not only alphabetically?

Suggestion would be:

Demons: -...
Dragons: -...
Predators(Carnivores): -...
Ride animals(horses, donkeys, ...): -...
Cattle(Sheep,...): -...
Birds: -...
Maritime: -...
semi-sentient species: -...
Other: -...
...

Something this way? Good? Bad?

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« Reply #1 on: 18 March 2002, 02:34:00 »

Using a sheepish voice It's a lot simpler to sub divide it.. I've recently re-designed the klintorth.com site with sub menus... (link down the bottom if your interested to take a peek) it's much easier to locate what your after, esp if your after a particular type of "thing"

The entire site can be sub devided.. - plants and such...  

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« Reply #2 on: 18 March 2002, 05:32:00 »

A good idea for the herbarium as well maybe not exactly the way you subdivided it, but ingeneral yes.

*goes and tries hard to find cathegories ;)  *

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« Reply #3 on: 18 March 2002, 07:01:00 »

Thats a good idea!
I was looking for a beast/demon in the bestiary for an NPC in my quest. I had to look through everything to find the on ei wanted.
If it was divided, i could just lokk under demons or something.

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« Reply #4 on: 18 March 2002, 11:55:00 »

Oh yes, I've been dropping hints about that for a while.  
Would be much simpler to find needed things...and I'd love to see the Herbarium with its own section.

However, do let's consider that the 'division'
is a vast amount of physical work that needs to be done on the site, by our dear overloaded Artimidor.  Perhaps if someone else went through and set up categories.....then made a list of what things on site should go in each category.....then made a rule that all new submissions need to have a little note attached (say in the title of the email) as to where they belong and posted it..... that might help....

I could easily do that for the plants....except for the vast amount of unfinished stuff on my plate already....and the fact that I've come down sick and won't be doing anything for the next week if I can help it./....

Anyhow, that's my two san's worth.  See what Art thinks.

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« Reply #5 on: 18 March 2002, 13:53:00 »

When we can base the new Menu-structure on the races structure (main category, sub category, sub-sub and link) I might work on it... but I'm nnot sure if Art wants anyone mess around in his side structure. :)  

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« Reply #6 on: 19 March 2002, 14:52:00 »

The treeview structure idea is nothing new. I've posted my intention to use such a treeview already at least two times and also tried to find an appropriate script, but currently found nothing which pleases me. The script Uragel uses has some problems/things I don't like:

1.) Intendation of opened nodes (changable?)
2.) Horizontal scrollbars for no apparent reason (could be that this is not directly related to the script, but I guess so)
3.) Don't know if there's a possibility to close the node simply by clicking on the header caption again.
4.) Can only expand one node.
5.) "Digital nirvana phenomenon" with closing nodes when there are several subentries, which expand the treeview over the page height and closing the node again (see e.g. your Religion menu: Open "Quoni", scroll down and click on "Rinwin").
6.) The opening process gets a bit confusing if there are more sub-entries and another node is open.
7.) There are some scripts/Java-classes which are better, but not really usable for us as far as I could see due to several reasons.

Will try to find a good solution, so you can already think on the design of the menu structure.

Nice menu BTW, Uragel;)  


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« Reply #7 on: 19 March 2002, 17:51:00 »

Thanks.. <beams a smile>

The reason for the Religion area is because the script knows that there is more text "behind" there, and so "picks" up on it and then creates the scroll bars. We haven't quite figured out how to "hide" them from view as yet.

I'm a little lost with your other things, but I'll try to figure them out. A little new with the while "html" thing still, but learning more and more! :)  Any and all help is welcomed...

So getting back to the general "sub-areas" of the beast / herb areas (as my site was just an example of it being easier to find the different "sub species" ie, I want to find out about an animal, which is a demon You wouldn't have to scroll through the entire listing, and explore each one which "looked" like it might be, you'd only have to scroll down to the demons and the read through each of them.

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« Reply #8 on: 19 March 2002, 18:34:00 »

Can't you force scrollbars to stay invisible? Just a wide guss without having looked into details...


I should have known that Arti is smarter than me and already works on it. I'll think about a general splitup.
My goals would be general categories ordered after purpose or special feature, simple without any biology thingies. Good for people like me and rpg players (hope that takes none as offense!!!) ;)  

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« Reply #9 on: 20 March 2002, 09:06:00 »

I have no objection to this as long as I still get to moderate the whole beastiary.

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« Reply #10 on: 20 March 2002, 13:29:00 »

Errr... Tarquet, you don't have to worry about your job(we are stupid!) ;)

This suggestion applies to the bestiary menu not the forums!

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« Reply #11 on: 20 March 2002, 15:26:00 »

Just had to throw in my tiny, little, two cents comment.  I like the idea Koldar!  Perhaps something like this? Except Alphabetically of course

Beasts
Mythical (ie griffon, unicorn etc.)
Dragon (mostly since there's so much info on them)
Cosmological(demons, religion specific creature, silfin etc.)
Domesticated Animals
Sea Animals
Insects
Other animals (everything else)

Herbarium
Trees
Bushes
Crop Bearing
Tubers (potatoes, reeds, etc)
Moss/Fungi

Not really to sure about the Herbarium section, would think one of the Mistresses could give a better idea.  But, just a thought.

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« Reply #12 on: 20 March 2002, 16:39:00 »

Ah, menu, alright. Uhhh, then I like Drogo's idea. Yea.

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« Reply #13 on: 20 March 2002, 18:09:00 »

I like your list, Drogo, maybe you should add birds?

But I like the semi-sentient animals Koldar mentioned as well.

What if an animal belongs to two categories? a link to where it is described could be the solution, it doesn't matter then that it is mentioned in two categories.
And what about sub-categories like: domesticated split up in riding animals and cattle?

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« Reply #14 on: 20 March 2002, 18:59:00 »

Herbarium
Trees
- ever green
- deciduous
Bushes
Crop Bearing/Tubers
- fruit
- vegetable
Floral/Flowers
Moss/Fungi
Weeds
Vines/Creepers
Misc/Other

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