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« Reply #15 on: 20 March 2002, 21:25:00 »

Cool - but instead of Crop-Bearing/Tubers
I'd do

Edible Plants
- cultivated
   - grains
   - tubers
   - fruits
   - vegetables
   - misc.  (like the mushrooms, say, or doch nuts)

Medicinal Plants
- healing
- poisonous

A little easier, and we can see which areas are weak....

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« Reply #16 on: 20 March 2002, 21:35:00 »

Herbarium
Trees
- ever green
- deciduous
Bushes
Floral/Flowers
Moss/Fungi
Weeds
Vines/Creepers
Edible Plants
- cultivated
- grains
- tubers
- fruits
- vegetables
- misc. (like the mushrooms, say, or doch nuts)
Medicinal Plants
- healing
- poisonous
Misc/Other

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« Reply #17 on: 21 March 2002, 03:01:00 »

Only addition I can think of would be to merge mythical and cosmology section. Eventually demons then seperate as I don't know how religious they're...

Change "insects" to "birds and insects" or just avian animals, I do not know , do we have so many insects, I don't think so so I would put them to "Others".

well, semi-sentinent, I have to admit I thought about it in respect to what might happen to Goblins but I think there are some other races like this as well.

Beasts
Demons
Dragon (mostly since there's so much info on them)
Cosmological(mythical beasts, religion specific creature, silfin etc.)
Domesticated Animals
Sea Animals
Birds or Avian Animals
Other animals (everything else)

I don't know but I wouldn't subdivide too much or we end up with two or three entries each. Also crosslinking might IMO confuse people as some animals would be then mentioned at various places. I would put them to their primary "use".

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« Reply #18 on: 21 March 2002, 14:10:00 »

Beasts
Dragon (mostly since there's so much info on them)
Cosmological(Demons , mythical beasts, religion specific creature, silfin etc.)
Domesticated Animals
Sea Animals
Birds or Avian Animals
Semi-sentient races(Goblins, Trolls, Gorbas,...)
Other animals (everything else)

Some finetweaking. A semi-sentient races section would be interesting for creatures like Goblins, Gorbas, Trolls,... These are all races which don't develop a real science, culture and such and might be seen more as the normal RPG-monster to encounter in the woods or what do you think?

This would concentrate the races section on those that actually have history and such!

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« Reply #19 on: 02 April 2002, 13:26:00 »

I've checked a very powerful treeview menu during the week, found many advantages, but also several disadvanages. Don't know if it is possible to fix any of the disadvantages, but I'll investigate a bit more in this matter. Currently unfortunately the disadvantages still prevail.


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« Reply #20 on: 04 April 2002, 03:27:00 »

I like what everyone has come up with so far, but suggest that we put the categories into a logical order. Perhaps begin with the most useful, and progress to the seldom-encountered and mythological. I like the categories and the names for them, but their order seems a bit random to me.


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« Reply #21 on: 04 April 2002, 12:24:00 »

*nods* Yeah, Useful-to-useless. That way, people looking for creatures ( in RP) find the most used ( and useful) ones at the top. Perhaps this will deter them from using the rarer creatures in their stories.

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« Reply #22 on: 11 April 2002, 13:46:00 »

Demons: -...
Dragons: -...
Predators(Carnivores): -...
Ride animals(horses, donkeys, ...): -...
Cattle(Sheep,...): -...
Birds: -...
Maritime: -...
semi-sentient species: -...
Other: -...

All That Would be a good way to do it, another suggestion.. To even Further the SubDividing Is come up with a classification like there is IRL

Mammal, Invertabrate, bird, Reptile, amphibian and So on.

That May help Also if you want to Further the seperations. ~shrugs~


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« Reply #23 on: 11 April 2002, 15:20:00 »

May I politely beg you to reduce signatures to approx. 3-4 lines and no large pics, Sammy? Thanx for understanding.


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« Reply #24 on: 10 May 2002, 13:37:00 »

As I'm now going to move demons to where they belong (Cosmology/Myth section to the mythological beasts) I will also realize the subdividing of the bestiary now. Not with a treeview menu (for now, and unlikely to be realized in satisfactory form soon), but the subdividing is necessary anyway. As a start I propose to subdivide the herbarium first as the main menus seem to be pretty clear (see Uragel's and Judith's proposals).

So may I beg one of our Herbarium managers to take a look at the Herbarium Overview and allocate it to the following system (ordered alphabetically):

Bushes
Edible Plants
- cultivated
- grains
- tubers
- fruits
- vegetables
- misc. (like the mushrooms, say, or doch nuts)
Floral/Flowers
Medicinal Plants
- healing
- poisonous
Moss/Fungi
Trees
- ever green
- deciduous
Vines/Creepers
Weeds
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Misc/Other

I hope this system is ok with you all now, so I'd be thankful if you could set up a list of plants, trees, flowers allocated to the sections. The Overview will also be split then. If you click e.g. on the caption "Trees" you'll see a trees overview etc. Thanx in advance!

After we have the Herbarium we'll do the Bestiary as well. Later on we may eventually think on how to improve the appearance of the menu, but this is not the most important currently.


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« Reply #25 on: 10 May 2002, 16:35:00 »

Art:  Would be happy to do that this weekend (possibly this evening, as it's now Friday morning for me).

Expect a subdivision soon (by the way, I'd put mushrooms under Fungi, and Doch Nuts under Fruits & Vegetables....but there will always be room for dissent in any classification system!)





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« Reply #26 on: 11 May 2002, 11:11:00 »

Okeydokey. Would be great:)  


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« Reply #27 on: 28 May 2002, 14:48:00 »

Of particular aid (especially for the curious and less informed) would be a list categorized by environment.  Then subcategorized by function.

ARCTIC
sub             mammalian
sub/sub            vegetarian/prey
sub/sub            predator


sub             avian
sub/sub            vegetarian/prey
sub/sub            predator


sub             fish (waterborne)
sub/sub            vegetarian/prey
sub/sub            predator

WOODLANDS - TEMPERATE


sub             mammalian
sub/sub            vegetarian/prey
sub/sub            predator


sub             avian
sub/sub            vegetarian/prey
sub/sub            predator


sub             fish (waterborne)
sub/sub            vegetarian/prey
sub/sub            predator

and so forth through categories such as light woods, mountains, alpine mountains, swamp equatorial, swamp frigid, desert, scrub desert, salt water oceans, etc. etc.

This would allow those of us less knowledgeable to study the bestiary in organized groups rather than to be forced to bring up EVERY entry on a long list (which soon will cover most creatures) to find out what lives in an area and where they lie in the food chain.

Finding that there are so far no predators in the icelands and tundra thus far, was time consuming and draining --- but interesting.

Also more detailed maps color coded to mach the chosen category list would allow quick and easy research on what is in the general area of the town you decide to be in at any given time.  As well as a hint of the difficulties to be encountered in travel to some other distant destination.  

Plants should then be sorted similarly.

Individual entries can then limit that creatures range to certain geographical areas with the given terrain type.  Some may need to be linked to more than one terrain.

If I'm in deep woods it would be nice to know what might be encountered and those (not being listed) which I need not fear meeting.

Question??????
May we assume that most earth animals would exist in their natural habitats as well.   ie- Are there polar bears on the ice shelves fishing for seals?

Reality is irrelevant
Perception is all

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« Reply #28 on: 28 May 2002, 19:05:00 »

Problem is: The Beastiary isn't about environments. Yes, each beast has an evnironment, but some are common and found many places. Having it divided by the animal is much simpler than dividing into environments then animals.

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« Reply #29 on: 29 May 2002, 11:05:00 »

Hi, all. Bothersome RP'er here to bug you again...

Actually I think it would be a good idea to divide the list by the areas the creatures live in, (I know there'll be a lot of overlapping. But, hell.) This would make it easier for people to use creatures in their stories et.c. as they'd just look up the area the story/char./whatever is in and see all thats there.
It would also work as a great source of inspiration.
(ooh, those creatures live here? lets see, what can I do to put them in my story...)
I have a point?

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