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« Reply #30 on: 19 December 2002, 10:59:00 »

What Artie says does go. More or less. We get to argue with him first. He is the dreamaster.

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I have won some differences of opinion with him and lost some....
but it is his world most of all.

Each of us ends up with our own field of expertise, and Art respects that......

But I think you will find that all of us old hands will line up behind Art. :)  


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« Reply #31 on: 19 December 2002, 11:00:00 »

From A Bard's Viewpoint
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All beasts fall into these simple categories:



Monsters to Be Slain by Heroes (Dragon, Wargs, etc.)

Things to Be Ridden Around on (Xyloth, Aijnuvic, horse)

Food Beasts (cow, pig, rabbit, etc.)

Things that Go Squeak when You Step on Them (rats, mice, and other small rodents)

Creepy-Crawlies (all bugs, worms, arachnids, etc.)

Water Stuff (fish, octopods, trysters, spittles, merfolk, etc.)

Flying Things that go Splot on My New Hat (birds, bats, and so on)

Anything Else I Forgot but Would Make a Good Rhyming Word for my Newest Saga (for instance, cave drell)




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« Reply #32 on: 19 December 2002, 11:21:00 »

I like.


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« Reply #33 on: 19 December 2002, 17:36:00 »

ok...you want to know why i split up utilizable animals?

because i was thinking that some where down along the line someone would come up with a group of wild horses...now if the horse section was under utilizable animals that wouldn't really fit would it?

i'm looking at the term utilizable animals as "domesticated" in a sense...

as well i was looking at this categorization as simply being something for us to look upon...but if it is in fact part of the copendium then i agree it should be in simple terms...

bard judith's seems good...i like it simply because you will not have to reorganize everything some time down the future...

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« Reply #34 on: 19 December 2002, 18:44:00 »

Yay Mommy-Judith!

I made a plant for you based on an idea in your joining request! ^_^ ::hands her a Melarapple::  

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« Reply #35 on: 19 December 2002, 19:18:00 »

Bard's way please! Though, I wonder if this discussion hadn't  already taken place some time ago???

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« Reply #36 on: 19 December 2002, 19:27:00 »

Where would cats, dogs, combination animals, and undefined animals all go in that form? Would the all go under the last one? That seems like a lot to have there...

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« Reply #37 on: 19 December 2002, 20:33:00 »

okay, I don't really know if the list at front is going to be changed or not, but I have a question about the splitting of "dogs" and "wolves".  Aren't they the same thing?  Now granted "dogs" are more domesticated, but in my opinion, they're the same species.  My suggestion would be to place them in the same category, such as "canines".  Sure it's latin, but most people will know what you're talking about.  ^_^

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« Reply #38 on: 19 December 2002, 20:44:00 »

Well actually, dogs and wolves are two different separate catagories. We have many types of dogs and some different types of wolves. But I like Bard's idea :)  so who knows what will happen with them.



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« Reply #39 on: 20 December 2002, 02:26:00 »

Wham!
Canines.
Felines.

duh. That includes both feral and domesticated.

And for hoofed animals, they usually split them by the number of toes. Weird, yeah, but it explains alot.
If an animal has one toe ( horses, zebras, and some other animals, but I canna remember) it's usually a flatland animal and capable of being domesticated. Two toed hoofers ( goats, sheep, giraffes...) Are seen as animals that climb, and a little more wild.

I think. Maybe we should hunt down a kingdom map...


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« Reply #40 on: 20 December 2002, 02:52:00 »

People , don't stick to much to earthenly terms! Hoofed animals, let them be one category- if at all. Maybe we should really elaborate - just a bit and only a bit - Bards scheme, I like it very much, and it would fit into the dream much better than anything else!

We could divide the water stuff for example. But how would the Santharians do it? In animals you can eat or use somehow - and the rest :lol  

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« Reply #41 on: 20 December 2002, 16:34:00 »

Hmmm... Yes, I agree we should go for a simple cagetorization if possible, so Judy's proposal isn't that bad. Anyway, you won't find scientific terms in a fantasy bestiary, just check some other bestiaries for examples.

For comparison - the Rolemaster bestiary does it this way, mainly discerning between "animals" and "monsters":

Animals
- Herbivores and Other Normally Passive Animals
- Fish and other Water Creatures
- Insects, Arachnids and Crustaceans
- Reptiles and Amphibians
- Bird and other Aerial Animals
- Riding and Draft Animals
...

Dragons and other Fell Creatures
- Great Drakes
- Lesser Drakes
- Minor Drakes

Land Monsters

Water Monsters

Flying Monsters

Elementals and Other Artificial Beings

Demons

Entities from Other Planes/b]

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Shapechangers

Hmmm... I guess most of this categorization is quite reasonable, so maybe we can combine what we have so far with these ideas?


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« Reply #42 on: 20 December 2002, 19:10:00 »

Ok, I tried to recategorize everything in that format, Mr. Arti. I ended up adding two more sections under animals (Rodents and Carnivores.) I hope you don't mind. There are still some to be places. I wasn't sure what to do with the mythical animals. I was also a little confused on the definition of "Monster." I'm not really sure what really defines what a monster is. ^_^;;

Animals
Herbivores and Other Normally Passive Animals
• Deer
- Aj'Nuvic (I know this doesn't go here, but I'm really not sure where else to put it!)
- Black Hart, Santhalian
- Prieta
- Starback
- White Deer, Sarvon.
• Sheep
- Cuncu Sheep
- Dor'iyn Sheep
- Sawis Sheep
• Goats
- Capricus
- Goat, Domestic
- Hynde
• Pigs/Boar
- Wild Pig
- Woolly Boar

Carnivores and Other Sometimes Aggressive Creature
• Bears
- Bear, Argrothin
- Bear, Cartashian
- White Bear
• Cats
- Herín
- Ju'bat
- Milari
- Oracau
- Pard
- Shingar
• Dogs
- Cro'cuta
- Hunting Hound
- Ly'caón
- Zeiphyr. Hunting Hound
• Wolves
- Ashmarian Wolves
- Warg

Rodents and other Small Mammals
• Mice
- Dune Mouse
- Field Mouse
• Rabbits/Hares
- Leapor
- Tarep
• Rats
- Giant Rat
- Vilerat
• Other
- Quallian Sýs'neán

Fish and other Water Creatures
• Fish
- Ancythrian Shark
- Barsa
- Bonehead
- Cáeh'Fish
- Evoor
- Khendochar
- Mithanjor
- Nyjae
- Yellowtail
• Mollusks
- Giant Kraken
- Oyster
- Tryster
• Mammals
- Dolpholk
- Whale

Insects, Arachnids and Crustaceans
• Arachnids
- Crystal Spider
- Giant Spider
- Scorpion
• Insects
- Dalór
- Feylien
- Lu'an Moth
- Malise
- Mercarto Fly
- Orm
- Quillý'Efér
- Red Diamond Butterfly
- Whistling Beetle
- White Spiral Butterfly
• Worms
- Bloodworm
- Etherus Worm
- Pit Worm
- Ska'Kailn

Reptiles and Amphibians
• Amphibians
- Bogsnapper
- Rubit
• Reptiles
- Chomas
- Dragon Fly
- Drell
- Exechon
- Giant Rock Snake
- O'quadar Riding Snake
- Ranlesh
- Sand Viper
- Spiderturtle
- Tsor Shotak
- Zyloth

Bird and other Aerial Animals
• Birds
- Al'Syrr
- Banded Ricau
- Blue Glitra
- Cuuloo
- Garthook
- Haloen
- Howler Goose
- Kingell
- Injóh
- Mathmoor
- Nightbird
- Psitta (Chatterbird)
- Taenish
- Wood Owl
- Verhon
• Mammals
- Bat

Riding and Draft Animals
• Cows
- Strata Milking Cow
• Horses
- Kev'lor Horse
- Rusik Horse
• Others
- Havach Ox
- Ulgaroth

Dragons and other Fell Creatures
• Great Drakes
- Fire Dragon
- Frost Dragon
- Gold Dragon
- Horned Dragon
- Ice Dragon
- Sea Dragon
- Shapechanger Dragon
- Spirit Dragon
• Lesser Drakes
- Desert Drake
- Dravilonia
- Earth Drake
- Horned Drake
- Wyvern, Feathered
• Minor Drakes

Land Monsters

Water Monsters

Flying Monsters

Elementals and Other Artificial Beings
- Golem
- Imp
- Netherbeasts
- Zombii

Demons
- Chasm Demon
- Gamosh-Ra
- Jhulnyor
- Mephguór
- Mhorashty
- Sephet
- Tam-Rek
- Téi'Hái
- Venazla
- Wraith

Entities from Other Planes

Un

Shapechangers
-        Inca Tati Shapeshifter
- Mystran
- Spyder
- Will'o'Wisp


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MYTHICAL
- Centaur
- Chimaera
- Kiivosh
- Phoenix
- Unicorn

- Drasil
- Flunki
- Great Wolverine
- Izaac
- Mimsy
- Mogliar
- Nul'tum

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« Reply #43 on: 20 December 2002, 22:52:00 »

Maybe you could put an omnivore section.

Do you think that Drasils should be under Magical???  I really think that the Flunki should go under omnivores and so should Izaac, Nul'tum and Mimsy. Also, now that you have carnivore section in there you could put the Great Wolverine under wolves in there.



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« Reply #44 on: 20 December 2002, 23:07:00 »

I'm starting to get afraid that we'll run into problems here. I mean, some things might fit into two categories. Arg. Where's Arti? >_<

Darn timezones...

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